Episode 73: Scaling a Tutoring Business with Anthony Weinkopff

Anthony Weinkopff acts as the director and co-founder of Embrace Tutoring and Educational Services. Embrace specializes in creating customized college and career readiness plans for students, and connects them with experienced tutors in core academic subjects and test prep areas.

Since an early age, he has always been drawn to empowering youth and helping them to create opportunities. Growing up, he was the first male in his immediate family to go to college and he remembers how overwhelming the process could be without clear guidance. Throughout his educational career, Anthony has worked as a college liaison, biochemistry and mathematics teacher in high school, and academic dean.

Along with his two co-founders, Andy Lee and Suzanne Park, Anthony has grown Embrace Tutoring to what it is today. For this episode, we talked about how he went from teaching to starting Embrace, and what he's learned through the process.

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Welcome to Educator Forever, where we empower teachers to innovate education. Join us each week to hear stories of teachers expanding their impacts beyond the classroom and explore ways to reimagine teaching and learning.

Anthony Weinkopff acts as the director and co-founder of Embrace Tutoring and Educational Services. Since an early age, he has always been drawn to empowering youth and helping them to create opportunities. Growing up, he was the first male in his immediate family to go to college and he remembers how overwhelming the process could be without clear guidance. Throughout his educational career, Anthony has worked as a college liaison, biochemistry and mathematics teacher in high school, and academic dean. Along with his two co-founders, Andy Lee and Suzanne Park, Anthony has grown Embrace Tutoring to what it is today. Embrace specializes in creating customized college and career readiness plans for students, and connects them with experienced tutors in core academic subjects and test prep areas. Many families utilize Embrace's services to save time, enhance their chances of acceptance or receive academic scholarships.

Lily Jones

Welcome, Anthony. So glad to have you here with us.

Anthony Weinkopff

Thanks for having me, Lily. I appreciate it. Good to be here.

Lily Jones

Yeah, absolutely. So I always start with the same gigantic question which you can take in any direction that you want to, which is to tell us about your journey as an educator.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I'd love to. My journey is a little interesting because I was initially in biomedical sciences and engineering. And I started teaching while I was at undergraduate for college and one thing led to another. I wanted to kind of explore whether or not I was going to medical school or business school or graduate school out of college. So I then took a teaching job with the intention to kind of find my feet a little bit and somewhere located adjacent to certain kind of graduate programs. Loved that. Really fell in love with it, as well as working with the students and started teaching at that initial school, then I decided, "You know what, I do love teaching. I'm gonna continue to explore this." So I then decided to take a job at another teaching Independent School in northern New Jersey, where at the time there were, I believe they were nationally ranked, right? It was one of the nationally ranked independent schools and my entire intention was to teach at that school, serve as an academic dean, amongst a number of other things, while simultaneously then going and getting my graduate degree. And things got sidetracked a little bit when I happened to win an award by Kearney, Sandow and Associates. I was teacher of the week, I believe. And that brought a lot of publicity, a lot of notoriety, certain parents and family started reaching out to me to have me actually instruct their students for you know, subjects x, y, z. And me growing up in kind of the public school system, I was not aware of the private tutoring. Like I've never had private tutors, was never really exposed to him, and unfortunately, grew up in a really a really good like, hard working family. And my sister has kind of always instilled in me like an appreciation for education. But with respect to privateering, kind of one thing led to another. Started tutoring, took on a number of clients outside of the classroom. So I had my full time teaching job. And then one thing, you know, happened, and here I was kind of a young 20 something, and going outside of the classroom teaching on the weekends, as well as after school. And yeah, and Flash forward to today. We now own and operate Embrace Tutoring. So there's there's a lot in between there. And I can certainly get more detailed, but in general, it's yeah, it's been a beautiful ride.

Lily Jones

Yeah, that's great. And I love how it just kind of naturally happened. I mean, I know that looking back on anything, we can say like, oh, it just happened. But there's a lot of work. But I think it's interesting thinking about like, you won an award, you had this kind of plan for yourself, right? Like this is the path I see myself going on. And then sometimes things happen where other paths become clearer in front of us. So I'm curious a little bit about both the managing being a classroom teacher and taking on tutoring students like how that went, and maybe where the turning point was for you to think, “Oh, I could do this.”

Anthony Weinkopff

Oh, that's a great question. So while I was working with students in northern New Jersey, and more precisely, I'll just say like Basking Ridge, New Jersey, I was working with Basking Ridge students, Morris town, Short Hills summit in New Jersey, a number of students like throughout that area. I started to kind of collect data of what was working, how would one family sort of measured student progress, how to reach the students the best, how to get them to, you know, make sure that they're not only improving in their grades and their understanding, but also their confidence. And then I developed a lot of systems in terms of like parent communication and progress reports I would send to the parents. And this was all in addition to me just meeting with the students on a regular basis for private tutoring. I fell in love with Google Calendar, because I was I was teaching, you know, full time from, like 8am to, I think it was like 2:30 or 3pm. And then, right when 3:30 or 4 hit, it was just sort of my my private tutoring workload where I would go and meet with multiple students at the end of the day. And it was kind of like having in some ways, like, kind of like a job and a half. And the part where I felt like it can really honestly turn into a business, which I think is kind of more of what you're getting at was, I realized how inexperienced I was when it came to the business side. And I started collaborating with one of my good friends who was actually are one of my directors and business partners now Andy Lee. And he said, "You know, I think, you know, you know the product, you know the service. You have already kind of a fleet of private tutoring students and families that you work with. Do you want help scaling this?" And we had some long conversations. And if anyone is out there listening, and maybe he wants to take on a business partner, you got to find someone who's just as driven and has a lot of integrity as you do, because it's, it's kind of a marriage, right? And we were, we were good friends before that. And then we ended up actually meeting and finding our other business partners, Suzanne Park. And it has worked tremendously over the years. And Suzanne was believer and a parent of one of the students that I was actually teaching in the classroom. And she reached out to me, because my tutoring techniques and different areas of you know what, what her daughter was enjoying in the class, and we started to collaborate a little bit. And Suzanne, Andy and I have basically grown Embrace into what it is today, more or less. But I will say that that first year of juggling both was a lot. I've definitely fell in love with a lot of the email and the systems and parent communication and templates and things like that just to kind of help mainstream a lot of the the overall kind of inner workings of everything.

Lily Jones

Yes, definitely I relate to that. When I first started doing curriculum design, I was a classroom teacher, too. And I had a couple years of the overlap, but where it was, like, simultaneously exhausting, and also really exciting to be able to see kind of this different pathway emerge and be working on something new and be challenged in different ways. So I think that it's both, you know, like, it's both exhausting. And like part of the learning process.

Anthony Weinkopff

Yeah. And I think for me, I had, I'd been in education for quite some time. And I had a little bit of I would say business experience, because before going into my final teaching job, and one of the forks in the road was I was working out at Stanford University. And I was attending different business lectures, and then different science lectures, because initially when I was doing biomedical engineering, so I had, I had a little bit of business acumen, but majoring in business is very different than actually like running a company. So when when I kind of joined forces with Suzanna and Andy, that really helped to clarify a lot of the back end the business logistics. I think I can say that from some, like what you're mentioning, in terms of curriculum design, we were fortunate enough to kind of have that down, right? We were fortunate enough for curriculum design, and how to find tutors, and just in general how to build things. But we needed to really figure out you know, what's the, what's a good CRM system? What is SEO? What is our website management system and cloud hosting services? Which taxes will we need to complete? Depending on where we do services in various states? You know, what is business insurance? And how do we technically qualify for it? And what happens if we, you know, work with various school districts? And do we need to kind of upgrade our business insurance. So there were a lot of little things that I wasn't really aware of in the beginning, but over time, and with the right people, we've, we've really kind of educated ourselves to become, you know, more more kind of grounded in those areas.

Lily Jones

Absolutely. And I love that too. You know, you reflecting on taking on the business partners, too, that you didn't have to learn it all on your own. You know, that you could really partner with people who had different areas of expertise, and lean into your expertise and have some true collaboration there.

Anthony Weinkopff

Yeah, there has been a lot of collaboration over the years and at the same time, too, we love to really listen to our audience. We love to listen to our students. We love to listen to our tutors, in terms of you know, what works. We were, I would say the first two years as we were building Embrace, everything from Hey, where do we get a facility? To which what is our market niche? Or what are we really going to tend to focus on? How will we continuously find and hire teachers to keep up with demand? A lot of things for us definitely did not happen overnight. But we were fortunate where we had one summer class that we ran specifically for test prep, because initially, we were just focusing on having private tutors go out to homes, or meet in like local libraries or cafes, that then drew the demand for us to have a class over the summer, our first ever summer class that we hosted for either let's say SAT or ACT students, because that's kind of the most well known at the high school level. We had probably six or seven students all get a perfect score, or near perfect scores, which then that then bubbled into our model that we have today, which is focusing a lot on overall college and career planning. And we we essentially, kind of create these customized packages for students when they're coming into our system for, hey, which schools may you want to apply to if you want to do engineering with music, right? And if you if those are your interests, how can we expose you to different career pathways that might interest you? And then what boxes do you need to essentially check along the way? And that's really what we do. That's what we tend to focus on now. And then we match those students and families with interested who really will kind of with experience private tutors, as well as educational mentors.

Lily Jones

That's fascinating to me. I mean, that seems like such a great service. And I'm also fascinated just by the like, evolution of the service packages. I think that's something that I found too, that when you start a business it you know, you have an idea of what you're going to offer. And then as you go along and interact with actual people, and like get to see their needs and get to respond to those needs, new things emerge that you can offer. So I love that that kind of different model was created by really being responsive to who you are serving.

Anthony Weinkopff

Yeah, that's I love the use, since I was like the biology teacher, me loves the use of the word evolution. So I'll give you kudos there. But that's basically exactly what it was, we kind of were fortunate enough to really stay true in what we were doing in the beginning, and because we were just really kind of focusing on what's in the best interest of the students, they did well. And then just as a byproduct, we then needed to expand our services, to you know, different disciplines, different college essays, some of our students then went on to graduate school. So we then needed to hire GRE teachers, right? We then have younger brothers and sisters. So now we have elementary private tutors. So it's really just kind of expanded due to the need, which has always been great. We haven't really jumped into anything. If it wasn't, you know, if people weren't asking for it, more or less. So we've always kind of had the carrot in front of the horse of like, "Hey, can you guys do you guys offer this?" And we've basically have, you know, formed it and collaborated a lot along the way. And we've been, you know, we've been really blessed.

Lily Jones

Yeah, absolutely. And it's like really that listening, right of like, really listening to when people say, Hey, do offer this, or this would be great. And collecting that data of like having a trigger point of, you know, 10 people asked for this thing, maybe we should look into building. And like, also that flexibility that I think can be hard I found to let go up. As a business owner, sometimes I've been like, well, I thought I was gonna offer it this way. But people are telling me that they really wanted this other way. And so being flexible, along with both holding your vision of like, what you can do well, but also what people want.

Anthony Weinkopff

No, you're exactly right. And I think that and for anyone listening to this, and if they're thinking of literally pivoting outside of the classroom, or just sort of what other endeavors could they use their educational degree for? Right? Because I think for me, I've always had a little bit of an entrepreneurial spirit at heart, but being in education and serving as a class dean, I was like, what what can I use all these skills for? You know, what, at the end of the day, what can I do with this? And, and so I was thinking to myself, Okay, well, if we're creating a private tutoring company, then the the ultimate goal of just kind of being family or student obsessed was what is in the best interest of the student? And as long as we've continued to answer that question and be a little innovative, I guess you could say of like, hey, what, what are they going to ask for in the future? How can we kind of figure that out in advance? And how can we figure out where the puck is going and not where it is? Even now with the like the adoption of AI in college essays or test optional versus non test optional, or, you know, just in terms of the College and Career landscape, we've always tried to be a little bit ahead. So that way, if people do come back and they do ask for a certain service, we are aware of, you know, we don't like to just say no, we'd like to do a little bit of research first. Like right now, for instance, we're getting a ton of questions of can you do robotics camps, and we want to be familiar more familiar with that area before we can just say yes or no. We want to, we want to have a good idea of if indeed that is the service we intend to launch, you know, how can we best execute it for our students and families?

Lily Jones

Absolutely. And it's like that balance. You know, people can say all sorts of things, right? Be like, Oh, can you offer a gymnastics class? Like, no, I can't. Right. So I think having that balance of like, what is a good use of both the business and the skills, you know, of the people behind the business? And that overlap is really interesting. So I'm wondering with that, too, like, can you give us a state of Embrace Tutoring right now? Like, what is kind of what are you offering right now? Where are you offering it? What's your focus?

Speaker 1

So we offer private tutoring, and I would say in combination with academic plans across the country, we do have a few students, I would say internationally. But that's, that's not certainly not the our target focus or the majority of our audience. We are preparing .... we just recently launched our third facility. Third full time kind of brick and mortar location up in Morristown, New Jersey-- no place like home -- And we are preparing to launch our fourth facility by the end of 2024. We've I mean, we've had a lot of milestones along the way. We actually just recently presented last week at the Princeton pitstop event, one of three feature companies to go up on stage kind of present in front of a panel of venture capitalists and judges, as well as angel investors. And we were invited to do so. So it was kind of a nice, sort of, hey, look what we've built moment. And kind of a little moment of reflection, which is, which has been great. But overall, we still tend to specialize in private tutoring, customized academic roadmaps for students across the country. One thing, a few things that really make us unique are the quality of the educators that we have, every one that we hire, and train and vet have over 1000 hours or more of actual like teaching or private tutoring experience. Many of them have their masters or their PhD degrees. We also have a full kind of back end parent portal system that we built to encourage parent communication. A lot of parents love that if they're using it for like record keeping. If maybe if your son or daughter had like, has learning accommodations, and you need records to give to the local school psychologist or behavioral therapists, which we will gladly collaborate with. We do review sessions online as bonus things to our students. We also do diagnostics in person and online. So that way, a student in Tennessee or Alaska can actually come and take a proctored practice tests in a variety of different subjects. So yeah, those are those are just a few major things. But but no doubt, bro, private tutoring has kind of been our, you know, our core focus throughout the years.

Lily Jones

That's great. And then you have a mix of like brick and mortar and online services.

Anthony Weinkopff

Yes, yeah, it's kind of... I don't know if I really ever want to use this analogy, but it's kind of like a SoulCycle or a Warby Parker, where we have very kind of bespoke locations, centers in various places across the country. And if they if people are not able to come into one of our facilities for private tutoring, then they are able to utilize virtual private tutoring right throughout throughout the country, which we have probably, I would say it's probably 7030. Or maybe maybe closer to 6535 at this point in terms of virtual versus in person. But we do have a lot of people that will come for in person private tutoring. And then they'll say, Oh, my son or daughter's taking AP Bio as well. Do you have anyone? And we'll say, Boy, do we have someone in Rhode Island to actually is an AP Bio grader, an official test grader, that individual will fly out and be part of the grading process, right for College Board? And they say yes, please, please connect this. So it's definitely a combination of doing virtual as well as in person.

Lily Jones

Yeah, that's great. I love that. I mean, because there's benefits of both right. And so I think being able to provide both, that really opens up a lot more. Yeah, that's awesome. That's great. Yeah. So I'm curious a little bit just about your own journey, you know, going from getting your first tutoring students to where your business is now, what you've learned about yourself along the way.

Anthony Weinkopff

Um, let's see if I feel like if my wife could answer this question, she would say I work too much. For my family, I would say... So growing up, my friends and I have always been a little entrepreneurial at heart, we would make like little businesses and kind of do different things. I also was the type of kid where I would keep all of my notes like nonstop as I was going through school, in different binders, and I would always carry around a book on me. So it's not surprising that I started some sort of educational company involved in business, right in terms of like my own journey, but I would, I would say the biggest thing I've probably learned about myself other than kind of after Little of self reflection of like, of course, this this was kind of the where everything was supposed to lead is that learning to listen a lot more than and being much more empathetic in terms of our target audience, and you know what is gonna work best because everyone in terms of businesses gonna go into it thinking they have a product or they have a design of or service, right? This is obviously an educational podcast and teachers or tutors are going to go into this well, how can I best deliver my curriculum and find students locally? And for for me, and maybe it was just because I was like, also like a little bit of an engineer at heart of well, how can I make this better? Right? How can I reach more people? How can I take this and expand the service to reach an audience who needs it? Right, like reach reach a broader audience. And I think that over the years, as we've empathized, what's going to work best for the families and for the students, and then adjusted our model accordingly to, to kind of think a little bit broader of what they need, even if it adds to the expenses, right? If we know it's going to be better for them, get better books, get better tutors, get better places get better systems in general, if we can improve that overall experience. And by listening to them, I think that's that's kind of really been a core of our business.

Lily Jones

Absolutely. I love that. I mean, I always use design thinking when thinking about building a business. And it always starts with empathy, of just like, really kind of getting out of your own head and thinking about the people that you hope to serve and really responding to those needs. And I think in some ways, it's really similar to teaching, you know, really listening to individual students, it's the same skill of like, what do they actually need? And how do I respond to it? So I love that reminder of Oh,

Anthony Weinkopff

I totally, I totally agree. And I would, I would say that anyone I was fortunate enough to be in engineering with, with sort of some aspects of teaching, I would say anyone who's just jumping from teaching, and they've never, if they've never done that kind of understanding by design thought process. There's a lot of really good business books out there. Who and which teacher doesn't love a good book, right? I feel like there's a few really good books that I read in the beginning, the lean startup was really good in terms of like products and service and testing, kind of your audience and your market audience, how to win friends and influence people for social interactions, and just sales. I feel like that's, you know, that should basically be the the sales Bible almost, of empathy is an entire chapter inside of that book. So I, I feel like there are resources out there for teachers who are considering maybe, maybe I do want to explore the option of, you know, transitioning from the classroom and and tutoring full time, right, there are resources that are available.

Lily Jones

Absolutely. Yeah, you don't have to figure it all out on your own. I think it's something that we often feel like, okay, we I mean, as teachers, we're often left to figure a lot out on our own. But there are so many just like with education, like great thinkers and research and all sorts of people doing work in business. So you can learn from that. And a lot with that, I guess any other advice? You'd give educators who are thinking about maybe they want to move beyond the classroom? Or they have a business idea that's kind of an itching at them? Oh, that's

Anthony Weinkopff

a good question. So the first the first I would say is that if they want to move beyond the classroom, first, give us a call because we're getting ready to hire regional directors around the country. So we're gonna have to go through all of the headache of the finances in which you know, which CRM system do I use? How do I build a website, we take care of all that for you. And we're just looking for talented professionals who are an educator at heart who may not want to open a franchise because we're not doing franchising but but might actually potentially want to kind of lead our region have embraced tutoring in in a specified area. Love to connect with him if that's the case, if they want to go out and alone, I wish them the best. And again, definitely recommend them checking out a few of the business books and inform a good network of of individuals to help support them along the way. And then what was the what was the follow up question?

Lily Jones

Oh, really just that just, you know, advice for educators who I guess if they have a business idea, you know, or something that they're thinking about doing it any other advice?

Anthony Weinkopff

I love the reading the book but anything that they could do to get started so the

with the the reason why I jumped into doing a business in general and this is the one I don't know if this works for everyone, but I can speak for me personally that I could not stop thinking about the business idea. I would spend little notes I would even write Hey, this is what I think I want my color scheme to be in my facility three years from now. I do not stop thinking about And, and if you if you think that the business idea for whatever it is, or whoever it is, if you think the business idea is going to bring value to an audience out there, whether or not you are the one who executes the business idea, I would suggest for individuals to see it through, if they if you feel as though the world is gonna be a better place with your business idea, regardless of you're the one that does it, I would say, you know, take a chance on yourself, chase a little bit of purpose and and see what happens. And then with respect to actually kind of executing it, I would definitely suggest that you have a little nest egg first. Because the first couple of years are not going to be as you know, the money is not just immediately going to come pouring. And you're going to have to do a lot of learning, it is literally going to be a grind and a lot of pivoting and sort of circles along the way. So you're going to want to make sure that to try to split your time, get your feet wet in that area, whether it's tutoring, whether it's maybe you want to work for an edtech company, right maybe maybe it's something maybe you want to develop a an online learning platform, like like Coursera, or Udemy, whatever it is, go and get experience within that field, while you're still having that safety net of your of your actual income. So that way, you're not spreading yourself financially, too thin. Learn. And then when you're ready, and you still can't shake that idea, then then go and take a chance on yourself. And you know, and come back to us if you got any more questions.

Lily Jones

Absolutely. Yeah, I completely agree. I mean, I think that if you're a classroom teacher, and can try things out on the side, you know, just like Anthony saying, of having that safety net, or if you're like, I have to leave the classroom. You know, my first few years, I was building my business, but I was also taking on big contracts with tech companies and nonprofits and school districts. And that provided the financial stability that funded my business as well as like funding my life. Right. And so I think there's no shame in that, too. It's not like rare very rarely, unless you have, you know, investors and things like that, like, are you going to be able to completely transition from one job to being fully financially dependent on your business right away?

Anthony Weinkopff

Absolutely. In between one blessing in disguise, I will say that being a teacher, I didn't realize this until I was there, but independent school would end, probably at the end of May. And I would have until May, June, July, August, to kind of tinker, experiment, explore, hey, is this what I really want to do, I will go and work at various programs across the country. During the summer, which is actually part of the reason I started, I worked at Stanford for a little bit, I've worked at UVA, I've worked in other places. And I just kind of figure out my own individual career path, but kind of exposed me to different skills. Teachers kind of have that luxury, whereas most professions do not. So if someone in education is thinking about exploring, or utilizing their skills in a different type of business route, they're kind of really set up, especially over the summer, to kind of take, take a fellowship, maybe study abroad, figure out if they want to, you know, dabble a little bit more in that type of industry, it's kind of the perfect profession to be able to do that.

Lily Jones

Yes, it's like seeing it as an opportunity. I think that really can be inspiring, too. Because as teachers, you know, we have so much to do all the time, and feel burnout and all the things and it can be really easy to get into that space of being like, I just don't have time, like someday, someday, someday. So thinking about the opportunities that already exist to like the summertime, or if you're trying to create something for students, you're around students to think about what you have right now that can help propel you to where you want to be.

Anthony Weinkopff

Yeah, absolutely. And just regardless of whatever business someone's gonna go into, you really do have to have a growth mindset, you almost kind of have to, I said this, too. I say this to business schools, when I go and present and people ask me all the time, you know, what, what's it like to start a business? Or what were you thinking when you were 2425 and decided to leave your full time teaching job and to do this and I and I said, You know what, you're, you're gonna jump out of a plane. And you're gonna have to build the parachute on the way down, but you have to trust yourself that you are going to have the capability and surround yourself with the right people to you know, to put it all together. And I think as long as you have that growth mindset, you you're in the right mindset to kind of move forward and keep kind of breaking barriers and, and pushing down walls.

Lily Jones

Absolutely. Yes. I love that. I mean, I think that one thing I've learned too, is like, the struggles are necessary. Like it really is how you learn, like when something doesn't work the way that you expected it to, or by doing a really awkward webinar. It's how I learned to do a better webinar the next time or whatever it might be. And so I think often you know, like Yeah, nobody really wants to go through this time. So struggle or not knowing or like not getting something, right. We all wish we could fast forward to just like it's working. But I think we have to go through that like that, that really is how we learn.

Anthony Weinkopff

You're absolutely right. And there's going to be so much more appreciation. At the end of the day, I think even last week, when my partners and I were presenting, and here we were, we kind of take it for granted now, every day, life is great. And we have you know, we're looking at a fourth facility location, we have hundreds of teachers across the country, we're looking for regional directors, here we are in my downtime doing doing this with you. This is like it's getting harder the day and and I think that sometimes you a lot of people, when you don't sort of stop and just reflect and be like, Oh, wow, look, look at what everything. You know, look, look how far we've come. In some ways the struggle can be you've really kind of have to learn to be appreciative of the struggles as you're going through it and think that everything is burger I should say this. There's a really good basketball quote, where nothing is wasted. Everything you do has purpose. And I love I think it's I think it's Gregg Popovich, who says there for the Spurs coach, nothing is wasted, right. Even if you lose a game, you learn a little bit, nothing is wasted. And so a lot of the struggles that we faced early on, nothing was wasted. We've learned we've adapted, we've pivoted, we've surrounded ourselves with really good people, but nothing was wasted. wasted. Right. We're here for a reason. And, and, you know, we've we're very appreciative of the opportunity.

Lily Jones

Yeah, and that's really like what you can control, right? Like, what you do with the information, what you do with the experience, which I think can give that sense of agency, like, if you're deciding nothing is wasted, amazing, you're gonna really dig into it right and really examine what you can learn going forward. I love that. My family is basketball obsessed, too. So I will be sure to use that quote with my kids.

Anthony Weinkopff

Yeah. Whenever you want to talk about basketball courts, I will come back on for

Lily Jones

my 12 year old might be able to host your own podcast with you about that. Awesome. Well, thanks so much, Anthony. It's so great to hear about your journey. And I would love to have you share where people can connect with you.

Anthony Weinkopff

Of course. So I would say the best way to get in touch with him. So if you'd like to contact embrace tutoring, the best way is to visit the website for WWW dot embrace tutoring.com or info at embracing rock calm, it will take you right to the company email. If you'd like to touch base with him personally and grab coffee. I'm always looking to expand the network and speak with talented and sort of talented individuals who share a vision. I would say LinkedIn is probably going to be the best for Anthony wind cough. And you're welcome to I will gladly provide the LinkedIn URL. So you guys can click that and then we can connect. Happy to do so.

Lily Jones

Awesome. We'll put all of those down below in the show notes. And thanks again, Anthony. Really appreciate it.

Anthony Weinkopff

Yeah, likewise. Thank you again, Lily. I really appreciate you coming on. Thank you

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